I am prepared to present a briefing of the activities of my Office if you so desire, Mr. Chairman.

BROGER BRIEFING

Senator STENNIS. Mr. Broger, we understood that you would come prepared to brief us and we appreciate that. I think it is the will of the subcommittee now that we ask you to present that briefing. I don't know but what some problem may arise about getting it all into the record. Do you have charts?

Mr. BROGER. Mr. Chairman, there will be slides used which we can reproduce for entry into the record if you desire.

Senator STENNIS. Yes. I think that it might turn out to be some of the most valuable evidence. So if you can, reproduce these and furnish them for the record at the proper place.

Mr. BROGER. We will be very glad to, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Otherwise, you may proceed in your own way, sir.

Mr. BROGER. Thank you, sir.

Senator STENNIS. I imagine first you are going to outline orally what you propose to show us.

Mr. BROGER. I propose, Mr. Chairman, to speak at the screen so that it will make better sense.

Senator STENNIS. All right. You have made arrangements about the lights?

Mr. BROGER. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

And can you supply yourself with a microphone over there?

Mr. BROGER. I have one, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. About how long will this take?

Mr. BROGER. If I go straight through it, Mr. Chairman, probably 20 or 25 minutes.

Senator STENNIS. Well, we won't have any interruptions and I am certainly glad that Senator Saltonstall can stay.

Mr. BROGER. However, I will be glad

Senator STENNIS. No. I think you had better not encourage interruptions.

All right. You may proceed.

Mr. BROGER. Slide 1: Based on the testimony that has already been given, Mr. Chairman, here is a chart, and there will be several to follow, briefly outlining the responsibilities of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower. He has other responsibilities, but the one you are interested in primarily falls under the Deputy for Education and Manpower Resources.

Senator STENNIS. Just a moment. I believe it would be easier for us to move than it would be for you to move the chart. Now, my eyes are not weak but my glasses are.

[Laughter.]

Mr. BROGER. If you would prefer, Mr. Chairman, that will be fine. I will try to read from the chart anything that might be essential. Senator STENNIS. I will just move around here.

Mr. BROGER. We are sorry that we are not able to provide better facilities.

(Slide 2.)

VOLUME OF COLD WAR ARTICLES IN PRESS SERVICE WEEKLIES

Senator THURMOND. Now, Mr. Secretary, on the releases dealing with communism and the cold war, cold war issues, contained in the Armed Forces press service weeklies in 1961, in looking over this list I observed that in January 1961 there were only two articles. In February there was only one. In March only one. In April only In May only one. In June, none. In July, one. In August, two. Making a total of only eight there for a period of 8 months, the average of about one a month.

one.

Now, then, beginning in September, though, they jumped up tremendously and in September you had 6 and in October you had 7 or 8 and in November you had 9 or 10.

The last 4 months in all, you have 32. How do you account for that?

Mr. RUNGE. Senator, I cannot account for it as such. Mr. Katzenbach may be able to comment on this matter but I cannot makeSenator STENNIS. All right, Mr. Katzenbach, will you comment on it?

Mr. KATZENBACH. I have no comment on it, sir, other than what I said this morning.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

Next question.

INTELLIGENCE DATA ON PERSONNEL APPREHENDED BY COMMUNISTS

Senator THURMOND. Now, Mr. Secretary, speaking about these 227 Department of Defense personnel who fell into Communist hands since 1954, could you tell us how they got into Communists hands?

Mr. RUNGE. No, Senator, I cannot. I indicated to counsel earlier that the information which was submitted to you today I saw for the first time this afternoon and I am not in a position to comment on how or what the situation is at the moment.

Senator STENNIS. Well, the letter states that it is based on information from the Defense Intelligence Agency. That speaks for itself. The Defense Intelligence Agency furnished the information.

Senator THURMOND. They got the information up. You don't know the facts about the cases.

Mr. RUNGE. No, sir, I do not.

Senator THURMOND. Well, can you get us the facts about the cases? Mr. RUNGE. Senator Thurmond, we will take this matter up with the Defense Intelligence Agency and advise you as to what information we can get.

Senator THURMOND. If you get the facts about these cases, how they got into the hands of the Communists and what steps are being taken in each case now, what is being done to get those people back, can you give us that information?

Mr. RUNGE. To the extent that such information may be available. Senator THURMOND. To the extent it is available. What do you mean by that?

Mr. RUNGE. Well, in other words, if soldier X has simply fallen into the hands of either the Chinese or the Soviets and there is no

Senator THURMOND. I can understand that. Just furnish us all the information you have on it, if you will.

Senator STENNIS. I do not understand that the Secretary is promising now to give this information to the subcommittee. I would think that probably a great deal of that would be classified. You certainly have a reservation in mind if it is classified, do you not?

Mr. RUNGE. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

Mr. RUNGE. Certainly.

Senator STENNIS. I think it will protect the men better to keep the details classified.

Senator THURMOND. Mr. Secretary, I am entitled to handle top secret material. If there is no objection I would like to help you get the information.

Senator STENNIS. I would be glad for you to have it, Senator. I was talking about information for the record. All right.

Senator THURMOND. That is all, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you very much.

Gentlemen, we thank you very much for coming to testify, and, with the thanks of the subcommittee you are now excused. We are going to call Mr. Broger. You don't have to leave the room, of course, because you may want to hear Mr. Broger.

Mr. Broger, will you come to the table, please?

Mr. Broger, will you stand and be sworn, please?

Do you solemnly swear that your testimony in this hearing will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. BROGER. I do.

TESTIMONY OF JOHN C. BROGER, DIRECTOR OF THE DIRECTORATE FOR ARMED FORCES INFORMATION AND EDUCATION, OFFICE OF THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE (MANPOWER)

BROGER BIOGRAPHY

Senator STENNIS. All right, sir, have a seat.

We have a biographical sketch of Mr. Broger, members of the subcommittee. I will put this in the record at this point, and I hope each of you has one before you. I think you did have this morning. (The biographical sketch of Mr. Broger is as follows:)

JOHN C. BROGER, DIRECTOR FOR ARMED FORCES INFORMATION AND EDUCATION, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

John Christian Broger was born in Nashville, Tenn., on October 30, 1913. He attended the Georgia Institute of Technology in 1934, Southern California College from 1936 to 1939, and Texas A. & M. in 1942.

He has been Director for Armed Forces Information and Education in the Department of Defense since 1961. From 1956 to 1961, he was Deputy Director of this Office and prior to that served as consultant to the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Psychological Warfare from 1954 to 1956. Also since 1956 to the present he has been vice chairman of the Armed Services Committee of the President's People-to-People program. From 1945 to 1959, he was president of the Far East Broadcasting Co. in the USA and the Philippines.

From 1942 through 1945, Mr. Broger was an electronics officer in the U.S. Navy. During the first part of World War II, he wrote and/or edited 38 text