Senator Proxmire, we are very glad indeed to have you here. This is the gateway to the military program in a way and as I used to handle the authorization bill for the military program in the Armed Services Committee and then I came on over here for the provisions

part.

But now the bill is handled, or the authorization is handled by the chairman of the Armed Services Committee but this is the second time, you see, that these items are really passed on since the first of the year, first under the authorization bill, and then we have the matters here before us.

The Army always makes a fine presentation of their line items. They know what they are testifying about and it is a fine presentation, and General Shuler has been with us here several years now.

We are delighted to have you here, Senator, and I might introduce to the Army.

General, Senator Proxmire is watching his dollars. He is fair and just but he doesn't believe in throwing any of it away, and we welcome him here to go over these matters with us.

INCREASE IN ARMY AIR OPERATIONS

Also in taking his place it is significant, that you see as you go around the track the first time on military matters-we talked a little before you came in about the training program-but the Army have moved. over into little planes, helicopters and small planes, and they have training programs.

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You know, this training is over 1,400 a year; 1,480 a year now. few years ago you weren't training but 102; is that correct? You had a very small program, anyway?

General SHULER. Smaller than it is now.

Senator PROXMIRE. I might say I am delighted to be on the subcommittee and particularly pleased because I have a chance to serve under the direction of Senator Stennis as chairman. I am happy that in my first experience on the subcommittee the Army is making their presentation, because the Army was my branch in World War II, my father's branch in World War I, and the branch in the War Between the States of both my grandfathers, so this is the branch I am most concerned about.

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Senator STENNIS. You bring a fine background here, and as further evidence as to what I said about the contribution you made, certainly a third generation in the Army, that is getting into tradition as well as the interest. The only trouble about that record, your grandfather seems to have been on the wrong side. That wasn't his fault. Senator PROXMIRE. I was afraid of that. That is why I called it the War Between the States.

Senator STENNIS. Proceed, General, if you will.

FORT DEVENS, MASS.

General SHULER. Our first station, Mr. Chairman, is Fort Devens, Mass., which is a request of five line items, and the first item is on page 5.

The first project we request at this station is for motor repair shop and facilities and at a total estimate of $528,000 which includes, as

you will note on page 5, the grease racks, oil house, wash platforms, and the like.

This will provide 19,683 square feet of shop space and 11,250 square yards of parking space in support of 721 vehicles. This project will alleviate these severe problems of the post motor repair shop which is attempting to function in temporary buildings which will not accommodate the larger vehicles. It also releases a building for us as battalion maintenance shop for a unit which must now perform the bulk of its maintenance out in the open.

Senator STENNIS. All right, after they finish their presentation of each item, Senator, if you want to ask questions you may, of course. All right, proceed.

Major General SHULER. The next item at Fort Devens will provide 24 chairs, dental clinic, estimated at $376,000. The existing dental facilities at the station are housed in four World War II mobilizationtype temporary buildings which will not accommodate modern dental equipment and related facilities. The dental chairs are in open public areas, without any privacy for the patients. This proposed clinic will be located in the troop area. It will include all the dental facilities except those to be included in a future new hospital which is planned in a future program.

Outside of the dental facilities that will go in the new hospital in the future program, this cleans up the deficit in the dental facilities at this station.

Senator STENNIS. Of course, your unit cost and all is in conformity with the previous formula we had?

FORMULA FOR UNIT COST

Major General SHULER. Yes, sir. These are studied out in accordance with the formula which I understand the chairman had a large hand in developing and which we follow, the so-called Aberdeen Hospital study.

This is in accord; yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right. Now just call your page number, if you will, each time, and that helps us.

Major General SHULER. The next item is on page 7, sir, one of the three-stall fire stations which I covered under repetitive items. This is estimated at a cost of $115,000 and the existing facilities we are trying to use now consist of a temporary type two-stall station which was constructed during World War I. Since the existing station has two stalls only, it is necessary to house the third firetruck at the nearest available building which is 2 miles away from the fire station.

This project is required to correct a dangerous situation because it is the only fire unit on the post and we are dealing with 1,160 wooden structures.

Senator STENNIS. I think that makes out your case.
Next item.

BACHELOR OFFICERS' QUARTERS

Major General SHULER. Page 8, sir. Our request here is for a bachelor officers' quarters for 60 officers at a cost of $461,000. You will note on page 8 the unit cost of $7,000 up at the top of the little table, which cost conforms to the administrative ceiling of the Department of Defense.

This project is required to replace substandard deteriorated World War II structures, as I explained in my opening statement on repetitive items. These were the type hurriedly built in World War II. This item was authorized last year but it is not funded, and we need it very badly. We intend to demolish the present structure when we get this.

The last item on page 9 for Fort Devens is a bachelor officers' quarters for females for 40 women at an estimated cost of $314,000. This item has prior authorization, Public Law 87-554. At the present time we have no permanent quarters on the post for unmarried female officers. This will fulfill the overall requirement for female unmarried officers.

We intend again to demolish the old structure when this replacement is accomplished.

The next station, sir, is Fort Dix, N.J. The items are listed on page 10.

REPETITIVE ITEMS

Senator STENNIS. Before you start on that, let me point something out to Senator Proxmire here. At the very beginning of the presentation we had, Senator, what we call repetitive items.

For instance he gave us a general review of Army barracks, replacements largely, for the old and obsolete barracks, which is a large item$58 million being requested in this bill and 14,000 spaces in round numbers at $4,000 per person and that includes the cost of gymnasium and chapel and dispensary and other maintenance facilities that go with it. Some of those have been replaced and it seems to me like they have a very good program here.

Even if allowed at this rate, it will still take 13 years to complete the modernization of the barracks.

Senator PROXMIRE. $4,000 per person?

Senator STENNIS. Yes, $4,000 per person but it does include, or it is a package deal on a regimental basis and it includes chapel, regimental gymnasium, post exchange and regimental dispensary and maintenance of heating plant and motor repair shop involving about 4,000 people in all.

Senator PROXMIRE. The limit on officers' barracks is considerably higher?

Senator STENNIS. Yes. I was talking first about Army barracks and when you get over into BOQ's that is a different situation.

That is as high as $8,500 for a person, but administratively they cut it down to $7,000?

Major General SHULER. $7,000.

Senator STENNIS. They are more on the motel-type plan.

I think we set that $8,500, or it was about $9,500 at one time; but anyway, it is just an illustration that the legislative committee has not been keeping up with things like they should. They run ahead of

All right, these repetitive items, after we get the general detail, we will go into detail on them as we come into them but we will consider them as kind of a group. Let's switch to page 10.

FORT DIX, N.J.

Major General SHULER. We come to Fort Dix, N.J., where we are requesting three line items. The first is on page 11.

Senator STENNIS. All right, proceed.

Major General SHULER. Alterations to the existing telephone exchange plus a 3,250-square-foot addition, and the total cost is estimated at $108,000. The present system is greatly overloaded.

This project will allow a 17-percent increase in the number of lines. Without this project the internal communications will be degraded, that is to say, that one out of three dialed calls will result in a busy signal. This is a very much needed project.

On page 12, sir, we come to a three-enlisted-man barracks complex. This is a continuation of our effort to replace our substandard deteriorated World War II wooden structures which were erected very hurriedly in the early 1940's with a life expectancy for a period of mobilization which we estimated then to be about 5 years.

These buildings are already over 20 years old. This item will complete the regimental complex for the second training regiment at Fort Dix.

Two-thirds of this regimental complex was included in the fiscal year 1962 program and approved by Congress, and is under construction. The buildings to be replaced, as I say, were constructed in World War II. Actually at Fort Dix these are among the worse deteriorated temporary barracks in the Army.

It is a very bad situation.

ENLISTED MEN'S BARRACKS

The next item is on page 14 and it is an 11-barracks complex. You can see on page 15, sir, a complete list of the items that go into this complex. The chairman had a large number of them on the list he was referring to. This gives you a complete list for a complete barracks complex.

This is for 3,586 enlisted men consisting of 11 barracks with the ancillary buildings that I referred to on page 15. This item will provide a complete housing complex for the third training regiment at this very important recruit training center.

They are currently housed in the same old World War II buildings I described.

Three additional regimental complexes are required in future years. to completely house the enlisted men of this recruiting center in permanent and adequate quarters. To give the committee a feel-if we are allowed these items, we have, for future years, three more such items as you see on page 14 to completely take care of Fort Dix, N..J., on the training center barracks complex.

Senator STENNIS. On that sheet there, Senator, you will also find the complete investment that has already been made. That is on the first sheet of each on Fort Dix. That is page 10. You see up there in the column on the right, dropping down to the third figure, it shows our total investment, et cetera, and the prospects of improvement. In other words, you already have an inventory of $121,411,000. We are thinking in terms of these division figures.

Senator PROXMIRE. In the next 5 years they expect to increase the authorization from $121 million up to $210 million, is that correct?

Major General SHULER. I might remark, Senator, if I may, that in the acquisition cost, that is the inventory total that Senator Stennis referred to, those were the prices when the items were acquired, when they were built. Of course, we have had a large increase in cost of construction since then, so I think that should be kept in mind when we look at the future cost figures against the inventory.

Actually, if we were to replace the total inventory now, it would be a much higher figure than shown in the inventory.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to insert in the record our reclama for this item.

In the fiscal year 1963 MCA program the Army provided for 8 of an 11 barrack troop housing complex. In order to complete this complex and to provide an additional complete complex the Army requested a 3 barracks complex and an 11 barracks complex in the fiscal year 1964 MCA program. To split a complex does not allow for optimum bidding conditions nor does it allow construction efficiency. For example, water and sewer lines for the total regimental requirement must be brought in and stubbed off and buried, and then uncovered and continued when the next increment is authorized. A split complex could also involve two different construction contractors in one area and may deny the use of the entire area by the Army until the last part of the complex has been completed.

An incremental basis of replacement of facilities within a complex will increase the cost, complicate the actual construction process, and prolong by a year the time the Army must continue to use the present inadequate facilities.

As Fort Dix will still have a permanent deficiency of three 11-enlisted men barracks complexes, it is especially important that these complexes be completed as units and not on an incremental basis.

HOUSE REPORT STATEMENT (PAGE NO. 6)

"The reduction of $4.241,000 made by the committee represents programing the replacement of facilities for the 3d Training Regiment on an incremental basis similar to the method used in replacing facilities in the 2d Training Regiment.”

FORT JAY

The next item we come to is Fort Jay, which is still in the 1st Army, Headquarters, 1st Army, asking for one item. This item, sir, at $131,000 is for replacement of three existing 600-gallon-per-minute pumps with three 1,200-gallon-per-minute pumps, and replacement of 5.150 feet of water main, and installation of two transformers and one generator.

This is required to improve our water distribution system to meet our domestic and fire protection requirements at this station. At the present time our water supply is simply not sufficient to meet this type of requirement during the peak of our domestic demands.

Senator STENNIS. I think you have covered that sufficiently.