Funds for permanent change of station (PCS) travel, military personnel, Navy, fiscal years 1961 and 1962 PCS funds requested in Navy budget to Secretary of Defense-- 139, 000, 000 Amount in the fiscal year 1962 budget--- Reduction 121, 000, 000 18, 000, 000 Feb. 14, 1961, revised estimate of PCS needs, fiscal year 1962 144, 111, 000 Amount now in fiscal year 1962 budget--- Current (Feb. 24, 1961) estimated shortage of PCS funds in 121, 000, 000 23, 111, 000 Must be obtained by reprograming within the "Military personnel, Navy," appropriaions. Mr. FORD. You cannot take salaries away from military people. Admiral HIRSCH. We will have to let people go out of the Navy or keep our total cost for people down enough so that we can absorb this $13 million. Mr. MAHON. You have a total appropriation for personnel of somehing in excess of $22 billion. You had that available to you hroughout this fiscal year and while you are supposed to keep within he appropriation categories, you have had the opportunity to make ransfers within the $212 billion so you have had more flexibility than our testimony would indicate, it seems to me. Admiral HIRSCH. There is no flexibility available in transferring lollars when there is no flexibility in the limitation. We can't go ip above that limitation, we are now up against the stop. EFFECT OF THE LIMITATION Mr. FORD. In other words, the imposed limitation is what restricts ou. Admiral HIRSCH. This is the point. Mr. FORD. That was limited to $119,600,000 in fiscal year 1961? Admiral SMEDBERG. Yes, but more specifically the actual dollars was limited for me in my military personnel appropriation to $54,28,000. What I refer to as $54.7 million-that amount of money I ay not exceed expenditure of to move people and there is my bind. Mr. FORD. Is that directly related to language which was included the appropriation bill for fiscal year 1961? : Admiral appropriati spend to mo Mr. FORD. ment of Na Admiral 5 of Defense the amount Mr. FORD. guage in the Admiral > fense may re of this year. mittee rem: Admiral the result v Mr. FLO poor fellow Admiral Mr. FLO Mr. MAH Admiral problem. have aske If we ge have a fig the rest of Mr. MA appropria adjustmer Admira limitation dollars in move thes Mr. Fo committe year? Officers by grade in departmental service, Dec. 31, 1959 nilitary personnel in departmental service, Dec. 31, 1959, was 13,136. The definition in H.R. Cong.) increased this total to 17,411 applicable in fiscal year 1961. es OSA, Chief of Staff, engineer functions, and IPAAR. es MSTS. e Corps total is exact but grade distribution is an estimate based on a 1960 distribution. rce includes AFSSC. OFFICER-ENLISTED RATIO MAHON. How is the Navy officer-enlisted ratio established and om? What relation does it have to the promotion process? iral SMEDBERG. The officer ratio is established by determining mber of billets in the Navy that have got to have officers in them. ficer ratio is controlled by the Secretary of Defense, as you Mr. Chairman. propose an officer ratio and the Secretary of Defense approves cer ratio and the petty officer ratio for each service. FLOOD. How many flag officers do you have? iral SMEDBERG. 287 flag officers in the Navy. FLOOD. How many are assigned to all these silly boards and ssions and committees? How many are not with the fleet or oops? Are there 50, 40, 90? iral SMEDBERG. I would say over a hundred, sir. "What are you FLOOD. Every place I go somebody steps out from behind a a chair and says, "I am Admiral so and so." "What are you here?" "I am with some committee." across the lobby. Here is General so and so. here?" "I am with some commission." et more flag officers and generals all over the world who would be with the fleet or with troops but are stuck with some silly rtain job that seems to be a waste of general and flag officers. riral SMEDBERG. I am one of the officers who is stuck here who rather be with the fleet, I can assure you. FLOOD. I don't mean your kind of job. I don't mean staff or arters or Pentagon work. I mean the commissions, a board or ing, stuck over in this or that nation or a commission. I don't just MAAG, that is military. When a man is with a MAAG ion that is a military job. You know what I mean, these trick I do not know how they get there or what they are. I would know how many flag officers are assigned to that kind of thing. iral SMEDBERG. I would like to correct my answer. I included number of a hundred the people here in Washington, people dmiral Burke. Officers by grade in departmental service, Dec. 31, 1959 Total military personnel in departmental service, Dec. 31, 1959, was 13,136. The definition in H.R. 1561 (86th Cong.) increased this total to 17,411 applicable in fiscal year 1961. Includes OSA, Chief of Staff, engineer functions, and IPAAR. *Includes MSTS. Marine Corps total is exact but grade distribution is an estimate based on a 1960 distribution. 'Air Force includes AFSSC. OFFICER-ENLISTED RATIO Mr. MAHON. How is the Navy officer-enlisted ratio established and by whom? What relation does it have to the promotion process? Admiral SMEDBERG. The officer ratio is established by determining the number of billets in the Navy that have got to have officers in them. The officer ratio is controlled by the Secretary of Defense, as you know, Mr. Chairman. We propose an officer ratio and the Secretary of Defense approves the officer ratio and the petty officer ratio for each service. Mr. FLOOD. How many flag officers do you have? Admiral SMEDBERG. 287 flag officers in the Navy. Mr. FLOOD. How many are assigned to all these silly boards and commissions and committees? How many are not with the fleet or with troops? Are there 50, 40, 90? Admiral SMEDBERG. I would say over a hundred, sir. Mr. FLOOD. Every place I go somebody steps out from behind a pole or a chair and says, "I am Admiral so and so." "What are you doing here?" "I am with some committee." I go across the lobby. Here is General so and so. doing here?" "I am with some commission." "What are you I meet more flag officers and generals all over the world who would rather be with the fleet or with troops but are stuck with some silly lace-curtain job that seems to be a waste of general and flag officers. Admiral SMEDBERG. I am one of the officers who is stuck here who would rather be with the fleet, I can assure you. Mr. FLOOD. I don't mean your kind of job. I don't mean staff or eadquarters or Pentagon work. I mean the commissions, a board or omething, stuck over in this or that nation or a commission. I don't nean just MAAG, that is military. When a man is with a MAAG peration that is a military job. You know what I mean, these trick obs. I do not know how they get there or what they are. I would ke to know how many flag officers are assigned to that kind of thing. Admiral SMEDBERG. I would like to correct my answer. I included in my number of a hundred the people here in Washington, people ke Admiral Burke. |