SOVIET OFFICERS IN MAAG'S AND MISSIONS

Mr. MAHON. I think it would be interesting, in connection with this same thing, for you to provide us, either on or off the record, what the rank generally is of representatives of the Soviet Union in countries which receive military aid, or military assistance of some kind from the Soviet Union.

General COLLINS. Yes, sir.

Mr. MAHON. In other words, what the rank of these people may be generally speaking, the counterpart of what we have in these

countries.

General COLLINS. Yes.

(The information to be supplied follows:)

The ranks of the Soviet representatives believed responsible for Soviet military aid or assistance in the following countries are:

Mr. FLOOD. In your examination, did you ask any question, or series of questions, that dealt with the traditional and historic problem of Army personnel, the square peg in the round hole, the assignments to schools, regulations, or contemplated regulations for hardship discharges, and humanitarian transfers?

I would like to know is there any change in regulations dealing with hardship discharges, and so forth, and what is the relationship of the cost in connection with any of these things?

To what extent, if a draftee asks for a hardship discharge X months after he is drafted, do you insist that the local draft board who drafted him give its opinion?

This is the whole crux of personnel, the square peg in the round hole. The reason I raise it is, this moves in cycles. I find all the trouble in the Army moves in cycles. I am beginning to feel from my mail that we are getting at the end of a 4- or 5-year cycle now where I am beginning to get the square pegs in the round holes again, coming out of special service schools. It is beginning to pop up. I am beginning to feel I am having trouble again. That is the whole reason for personnel. We went into it 5 years ago. We made a big deal out of it. Special attention was given to it. I am beginning to feel now at the end of 5 years you are losing interest in this and it is beginning to loosen up. It is not as tight and good as it was. That happens. I am thinking about something else maybe.

General COLLINS. Mr. Flood, relative to the assignment of the square

peg to the square hole

Mr. MAHON. We could talk all day about that.

General COLLINS. We have been after this quite considerably.

We now have this unit assignment system. If a man is being transferred from Fort Knox to Europe, his name goes overseas and he is assigned to a unit overseas. That is going to get a lot of that out of the system.

Mr. FLOOD. I am concerned about hardship discharges and humanitarian assignments. Is there anything new in this field after all these years of existing regulations?

Do you want to amend them?

General COLLINS. No, sir; they are adequate at the present time. I have heard some commanders who wanted, because of a shortage of TDY funds, to curtail on some.

Mr. FLOOD. To what extent, if any, if a field commander of a combat division asks for extension of duty, or assignments for specific officers, combat division in the field, Korea, to what extent does some longhaired officer in the Pentagon decide they cannot have it? To what extent do they do it, or should?

General COLLINS. If the field commander sent that to the major commander overseas, it would come to my desk, or to my immediate assistant if I was not there, and a decision would be made there. In a majority of the cases, we give the commander in the field what he

wants.

Mr. MINSHALL. You said something about the commanders in the field and the curtailment of TDY funds. Will you explain that more! It was not quite clear to me.

General COLLINS. As you know, there is a shortage in funds for travel, both in the TDY area, and permanent change of station area. The TDY area comes out of O. & M. funds. Last year at the commanders conference, several of the commanders brought up the fact we allowed on the death of a parent, or next of kin back in the States, the individual to come back on a space available basis, or actually paid his TDY back here. The commanders thought we were too liberal in that area and it was costing them too much money in TDY funds, but their request was rejected.

Mr. MAHON. Thank you.

Mr. LAIRD. I had a young man who was assigned to a job as a driver. What is the policy as far as your Department is concerned on assigning military personnel as drivers for nonofficial work?

ASSIGNMENT OF MILITARY PERSONNEL TO DRIVING DUTIES

General COLLINS. In off-duty hours, if that is what we are talking about, they can drive.

Mr. LAIRD. This young man was assigned during duty hours-it happened to be during the inauguration, but it was not an official function of the Inaugural Committee.

General COLLINS. I did not get into this particular situation myself, but I understand that here in the Military District of Washington the commander was involved in the inauguration ceremony and a request was made upon him for drivers for certain officials.

Mr. LAIRD. These were for some of the movie stars that took part in the gala?

General COLLINS. This may have happened. I am not familiar with it. The commander on certain occasions has been requested to furnish drivers, I would say, on official occasions.

Mr. LAIRD. Was Frank Sinatra an official?

General COLLINS. No, sir; I would not consider him an official. Mr. LAIRD. So this was a violation of your orders?

General COLLINS. I did not issue any orders in this particular instance.

Our policy, of course, is not to supply military personnel for unofficial jobs.

Mr. MINSHALL. Did you make it clear whether Sinatra did or did not have a military driver?

Mr. MAHON. Thank you very much.

FEBRUARY 23, 1961.

RESERVE PERSONNEL, ARMY

WITNESSES

MAJ. GEN. FREDERICK M. WARREN, CHIEF, U.S. ARMY RESERVE AND ROTC AFFAIRS

MAJ. GEN. CHARLES B. DUFF, DIRECTOR OF ARMY BUDGET, OFFICE, COMPTROLLER OF THE ARMY

BRIG. GEN. MARION W. SCHEWE, OFFICE, ASSISTANT CHIEF OF STAFF FOR RESERVE COMPONENTS

BURNELL E. PETHTAL, OFFICE, CHIEF, U.S. ARMY RESERVE AND ROTC AFFAIRS

Mr. MAHON. We shall begin now our hearing on the Army Reserve. There has been a tug of war in progress for a number of years between the Congress and the executive branch on the size of the Reserves. Each year the executive recommends a certain strength basis which Congress has for a number of years rejected, and Congress has provided funds for a larger Reserve setup. Whether Congress will do it again this year, I do not know. That is a matter which will be given consideration. I am sure you are here to suppport the budget estimate.

We would be pleased to hear from you at this time. If you do not have in your statement a table or facts and figures showing what it would cost to maintain the Reserve at the level we provided for last year, we want you to put it in the record and make it available to us for future consideration, explaining in detail just how the costs would be allocated, et cetera. Can you do that, General? General WARREN. Yes, sir.

JUSTIFICATION OF THE ESTIMATE

Mr. MAHON. All right. We will insert the appropriate justifications at this point in the record. Without interruption we will let you proceed with your statement.

(The justifications follow :)