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Rivers of gold : the rise of the Spanish Empire (edition 2003)

by Hugh Thomas

Series: The Spanish Empire (1)

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Hugh Thomas has come through again! The Spanish Empire was not only a romantic idea, but an organization, and an enterprise which involved a relatively few people in the continental Spanish structure. Leading the reader through a sometimes confusing welter of religious, familial, and economic interactions, this is a very helpful companion to Samuel Eliot Morison's treatment of the nuts and bolts of oceanic exploration in the late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries. The thorough man requires both, and the rewards of absorbing the two strands are tremendous.
sadly, the mapping is relatively poor, but the genealogical charts are just the thing to base even deeper reading on. Do start here, and the the second volume, about the Empire after the 1520's. ( )
  DinadansFriend | Aug 15, 2020 |
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A massive history of the emergence of Spain as a world power in the 16th century. This was the age of exploration and Spain reaped the benefits of its participation, expanding its empire and expanding European awareness of the what would become the Americas. ( )
  jwhenderson | Apr 20, 2022 |
Hugh Thomas has come through again! The Spanish Empire was not only a romantic idea, but an organization, and an enterprise which involved a relatively few people in the continental Spanish structure. Leading the reader through a sometimes confusing welter of religious, familial, and economic interactions, this is a very helpful companion to Samuel Eliot Morison's treatment of the nuts and bolts of oceanic exploration in the late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries. The thorough man requires both, and the rewards of absorbing the two strands are tremendous.
sadly, the mapping is relatively poor, but the genealogical charts are just the thing to base even deeper reading on. Do start here, and the the second volume, about the Empire after the 1520's. ( )
  DinadansFriend | Aug 15, 2020 |
This isn't so much the story of the Conquistadors themselves (although they play a large part) as of the political and social background to Spanish ventures into the New World between 1492 and 1522, i.e. from Columbus to Magellan. How did Spain get from giving an eccentric foreigner minimal sponsorship to go and look for China in the wrong direction to, barely a generation later, funding a much more serious foreigner to go and look for a way around the southern end of that "new" continent whose existence Columbus never accepted...? And perhaps more to the point, how did they manage to exercise any kind of control over what people were doing in the name of Spain on the other side of the Atlantic.

There are a lot more thrilling tales of document-drafting in back-rooms of Castilian monasteries than there are of shipwrecks or of men in armour marching thorough tropical rain-forests, but it's by no means dry and stodgy. It soon becomes clear that it was decisions taken in those thirty years that shaped the way South America and the Caribbean would develop, and led unintentionally or not to the wiping-out of the indigenous people of the Caribbean and the start of the transatlantic slave-trade. You can see Thomas finally losing patience with Bartolomé de las Casas, whose well-intentioned but flagrantly inaccurate reporting must be an irritation to all historians, at the moment when he suggests that the best way to protect the indigenous people would be to permit the import of black slaves from Africa. Somehow the alternative strategy, of restricting migration from Spain to people whose social status doesn't make it impossible for them to do manual work, never seems to have been considered seriously by anyone.

Very interesting, and certainly a good book to read before a visit to Seville... ( )
1 vote thorold | Jun 10, 2020 |
3921. Rivers of Gold The Rise of the Spanish Empire, from Columbus to Magellan, by Hugh Thomas (read 16 Aug 2004) This is not "popular" history, has oodles of footnotes (84 pages of them), and a 23 page bibliography. It is full of detail, much of which really doesn't tell a story but sets a scene. Thomas' attitude to Columbus is not bad--he is not of the denigrating school devilizing Columbus--and he tends to question those who say how terrible the Spanish descent into the Caribbean was. He tells the story of Spain in the Caribbean and in Mexico in much detail, and some of it was of interest, especially his account of Father Bartolme de Las Casas' efforts to have Indians treated decently. This book had too little drama in it, and I have to admit it was not nearly as interesting as I had hoped it would be. ( )
  Schmerguls | Nov 7, 2007 |
In an age when the historical trend has been to focus on the suffering of the Indians rather than the adventures of the Spanish, Hugh Thomas has written a massive tome detailing the lives and accomplishments of the people who created the Spanish empire in the Americas.

Although Thomas recognizes the frequent butality of the Spanish in their persistant exploitation of the Inidians, he is simply not that interested. The following typical quote describes the conquest of Cuba, "As elsewhere in the Americas, bows and arrows and stones flung by slings were no match for Spanish weapons, including ... those long steel swords that even now cause a shiver of anxiety when we see them in military museums. How curious to imagine all these knights from Cuéllar, and other cities of Old Castile, riding across the beautiful tropical island. Unfortunately, the only real source for the feelings of the conquistadores is the history of Las Casas, who had his own priorities when he came to write his book." Aparently Thomas would have prefered Las Casas to have revelled in the imagined chivalry of the Spanish instead of protesting their abuse of the Indians.

But in the end, Thomas doesn't produce a very good adventure story either. In hewing close to the (extremely well researched) documents, Thomas primarily gives us endless lists of the Spanish and other travelers to the New World, with frequent mini-biographies of even the most minor characters. This wealth of personal background is a poor substitute for historical context. As an example, Thomas seems to be at pains to note each and every Spainiard with Jewish heratige (conversos) and yet he never tells us why he thinks this is important (barring a rather disconected summary of the inquisition early in the book).

But perhaps my greatest disapointment was the lack of institutional history. Thomas offers us very little understanding of how the Spanish managed their precarious empire. An encomienda in theory is different from one in practice, especially in these new colonies. This was a crucial time when the Spanish developed the institutions of power that would mold the Americas for centuries, but Thomas tells us little of this.

Also missing is an analysis of the impact of the new empire on the home country. The fantastic flow of wealth and power into Europe begun in the Spanish Empire arguably initiated the transformations that would propel Europe to dominate the world for centuries to come.
I had hoped that these were the "Rivers of Gold" of the title. But for Thomas the most important "Rivers of Gold" were those found in Balboa's 1513 letter to the crown describing the Darien (the modern border between Panama and Colombia). There was little gold in the Darien, but fabrications or no, Balboa's "Rivers of Gold" inspired the Spanish to daring deeds across a vast ocean.

Perhaps Thomas would have been better off writing a novel; for a history of the Spanish Empire, look elsewhere. ( )
  eromsted | Aug 31, 2006 |
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